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Stockholm · Jun 07, 2006, 09:12 PM // 21:12

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Originally Posted by Lurid

Anything worth having is worth working for" if you want the elites so much, then either:

A) Make friends with someone in the alliance
B) Join the alliances

Anyone who is whining about not getting into the elite missions needs to pipe down. You didn't farm the hours of faction it took to control the city, and as such you don't deserve a say in what goes on.

I allready have a job.(thats how I can afford to buy games like GW)
A) Friends=using ppl to get what I want? not in my book.
B) and leave my friends? what kind of friend would that make me?

I paid $50 that gives me the right to have a say. Who gave you the right to tell anyone what they can or can not say?
You need to sit back and realax, this is an open forum so anyone has a right to speak.

and plz they are not really "elit" missions

Sofonisba · Jun 07, 2006, 10:29 PM // 22:29

I think I like the idea of elite missions, but perhaps not the implementation and/or requirements for entering.

I agree that the fame, the name of your alliance on the town, the discounts at merchants ought to be enough. Maybe also, like the world champs did, while in YOUR town, a gold trim to your cape, a new aura, or whatever.

The favor issue, while bothersome at times when you have been planning a UW/FoW trip: you are relying on people who are playing for fun, playing to win, who are trying for their entire region to have access.

This is very different than 1,000 players having whimsical "yay or nay" say over whether you are allowed to play a game you paid for.

Making elite missions access on the level of Tombs - would get old quickly. Make it difficult in one way or another to get in. Make the requirement, the fulfillment of one of the titles in your list.

OR, maybe implement some sort of "overall" title, which combines elements from all the other titles to form a balanced, experienced character who has at least accomplished a little bit of everything to deserve access. Like, capped so many skills, finished so many bonuses, hit level 20 so many times, drank so many beers, etc, which would guarantee at least a certain amount of play time if none of the other titles are quite fulfilled yet.

Swinging Fists · Jun 07, 2006, 10:58 PM // 22:58

I don't know if this has been proposed as an alternative means of access, but here goes:

After you defeat Shiro, therefore completing the storyline, you gain access to the elite missions. That's it. Place an NPC in Cavalon and House zu Heltzer (not in the restricted area) where only those who have completed the final mission will be transported to the elite mission area. No ferrying by this method. It would be like the previously inaccessible missions - restricted for non-qualifying people. This method of access would be on a character by character basis, not by account.

In addition, the current method of permitting the controlling alliance access, whether they have finished the game or not, could continue via the existing NPC in the restricted area. Also, the current practice of ferrying could continue under this method, as the controlling alliance has earned the right to form parties and bring in anyone they wish.

I think this would keep the current reward for the controlling alliance intact, while also providing non-faction farmers access by a demonstration of skill. I think the ability to complete the storyline missions should suffice to demonstrate the skill requirement.

I think this would also help reduce another problem with the PvE side. There are simply not enough people in the last few mission areas to form PUGs to continue the storyline. On the Luxon side at least, from Gyala Hatchery on, it is very very difficult to put a group together, mainly because of the lack of monks, but also there is a serious lack of players at all in these areas. Giving more incentive to get through the storyline, I think, would generate more traffic in these mission locations.

Evilsod · Jun 07, 2006, 11:17 PM // 23:17

Completing the storyline is fine by me. Completing every mission and bonus (or master rank or whatever it is) just no way in hell. Then your going down the path of grinding again. I have 1 character out of 6 with a maxed title, not a f*cking chance i'm gonna go for 100% exploration on the rest of them, probably won't go for 25/25 on the rest of them either. I don't want to have to do somet like that just to get access to something.

Sofonisba · Jun 07, 2006, 11:27 PM // 23:27

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Completing the storyline is fine by me. Completing every mission and bonus (or master rank or whatever it is) just no way in hell. Then your going down the path of grinding again. I have 1 character out of 6 with a maxed title, not a f*cking chance i'm gonna go for 100% exploration on the rest of them, probably won't go for 25/25 on the rest of them either. I don't want to have to do somet like that just to get access to something.

Reading carefully over the past few posts--including my own--no one is suggesting you should have to complete all the missions and bonuses.

Let me make my half-baked idea clearer.

For admission to the elite missions, you can either fulfill the requirements for one of the existing titles (e.g. Protector of Tyria), or, fulfill the requirements for this new nonexistant title:

Title: Renaissance Player
Requirements for this title: 5 elite skills capped; completed x amount of mission bonuses; explored 45% of map; drank 10 ale; earned 100 Balthazar Faction.

Even a casual player, by the time they would even think about wanting to explore the elite missions, would have probably fulfilled all of these reqs easily. It just guarantees you a certain level of player without guaranteeing the grind. IMHO, as always.

EDIT: Oh, and I almost forgot! Yes, I would also support Fist's idea of access granted just by finishing storyline too.

Lurid · Jun 07, 2006, 11:33 PM // 23:33

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Lol do you think it matters who you are? Your an elitest arsehole who thinks grinding makes you elite. There is no elite method of gaining Faction. You can get Faction by simply going AFK in missions. Dont try and say that just because you don't do that it somehow makes your faction elite.

I'm not even the one who made the damn missions called "elite missions", how I see things is these aren't for the "elitist" to get into, but rather to be a place in which one can not easily enter, for example...the way it is now? Mine and Anet's definition of "difficult" isn't impossible. It is very possible depending upon what a player wishes to do, if it was impossible then the controlling alliance wouldn't change hands nearly as often. Saying that gaining faction is difficult is obviously wrong, then again saying that anything you can obtain through treachery is easily done is also wrong. If I recall correctly one of your sides main points on how toenter these "elite missions" was to do the other co-ops...hm...what stops someone from going afk inthose? See the thing here you obviously aren't understanding is, where did I say an alliance was elite?Point out one place in my posts where I said that, oh wait I didn't? Thanks for putting words in my mouth, even if I had wanted to, theres no need, Anet did that already.

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Zomg... i forgot that alliances are more than 1 person. Ok, how about make an alliance or the minimum number and get it yourself? Come on, i'd like to see you farm that much Faction on your own and prove to me its not impossible. Proving (that you have no life...) that anyone can do it.

I love these little blatent personal attacks, instead of coming up with valid points you simply toss out a comment about me when you really have no idea about me...at all? If I choose not to faction farm, which I do, thats none of your damn business. Simply because you don't want to do something, does not mean it is not possible. That logic is flawed on so many levels, I don't want to work on a car, does that mean that noone does? Does that mean that it isn't possible for people to work on automobiles? Of course not.

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Its quite applicable. People whined because they couldn't get the favour. People whine because they can't get into elite missions. Why are people whining? Because the favour is related to PvP, many people hate that it affects PvE. What about the elite missions? It requires no skill at all, it requires you to be in a big alliance.
There was me thinking you got discount at merchants and things... Sounds fair to me, jack shit to do once you complete the normal missions (what if i don't like Alliance Battles or Fort Aspenwood?) all because like 1000s of people who play this game, they have lives. If your sad enough to farm Faction 24/7, be my guest, just stop trying to prove its anything you deserve a reward for.

Indeed, people do whine alot, and so to do you whine. I simply cannot fathom how gaining, what two missions? Somehow enriches your PvE experience to the point in which you feel so compelled to bitch about it. What happens when you complete all of the missions in Prophecies? Oh whats that? Oh yeah, jack shit. As i've said, oh I don't know three or four times, I dont' faction farm. This like almost everything else in life can be interpreted as "not fair", and your point? If you are so worried about a video game being fair to every single person who plays it, then you really shouldn't ever leave your house, trust me real life is alot worse. Ever hear the saying "you can't please everyone?"

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Perhaps my interpretation of the word 'difficult' is different to you and Anet. Mine means hard, but possible. Yours and Anets means impossible. People don't want to be in 1 huge alliance where they must farm faction at least once a week to get access to 'elite' missions. If you pay for the content, i wanna know why we don't get it?

Perhaps your interpretation of difficult is correct, and your limited views on everything force you to only see it in one light. Impossible, hardly. Paying for content that you'll never see? Probably, then again why can't I say I payed for the content of say...a Crystaline? Would you not tell me to stop bitching, and to either earn it or find one? Same principal applies here, if you want it enough then you work for it. Thats how it was designed, but instead of playing the game you'd rather bitch about it, in the hopes that someone cares, I for one do not.

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Please, leave your alliance. I would like to see if you can bullshit your way into every single controlling alliances friend list just to get access. Most people would call this using people. But you call it 'making friends'.

See thats the thing, i'm with the same alliance that i've been with since I picked the game back up about...four or five months ago. I don't give a rats ass about a couple of missions, I do actually have these things called "friends" who invite me to join them occasionaly when they do the "elite missions" I didn't mean for you to bullshit your way into every single alliance, thats ridiculous.

I'm done with this, it is as pointless as arguing about religion. Instead of simply debating why something should or should not be changed you resort to blatent personal attacks, in the hopes that I might do the same only to get myself banned so that you can somehow "win" an internet argument. Have fun with that. Oh, and by the way, I don't care what you think about me, stop msging me in game, whoever you are, I suggest you get a life and stop taking the internet so seriously.

Ira Blinks · Jun 07, 2006, 11:59 PM // 23:59

/signed for general idea

I would settle on 1k flat rate (fow/uw-like) npc, which transfers gold to the town owning guild.

Evilsod · Jun 08, 2006, 12:01 AM // 00:01

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Originally Posted by Lurid

I'm not even the one who made the damn missions called "elite missions", how I see things is these aren't for the "elitist" to get into, but rather to be a place in which one can not easily enter, for example...the way it is now? Mine and Anet's definition of "difficult" isn't impossible. It is very possible depending upon what a player wishes to do, if it was impossible then the controlling alliance wouldn't change hands nearly as often. Saying that gaining faction is difficult is obviously wrong, then again saying that anything you can obtain through treachery is easily done is also wrong. If I recall correctly one of your sides main points on how toenter these "elite missions" was to do the other co-ops...hm...what stops someone from going afk inthose? See the thing here you obviously aren't understanding is, where did I say an alliance was elite?Point out one place in my posts where I said that, oh wait I didn't? Thanks for putting words in my mouth, even if I had wanted to, theres no need, Anet did that already.

Does that stop you defending them like they are? The name 'elite' is utterly stupid, but that doesn't change to fact the method of entry to them is lame. The lame method of entry your defending because of your precious grinding going to waste.

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I love these little blatent personal attacks, instead of coming up with valid points you simply toss out a comment about me when you really have no idea about me...at all? If I choose not to faction farm, which I do, thats none of your damn business. Simply because you don't want to do something, does not mean it is not possible. That logic is flawed on so many levels, I don't want to work on a car, does that mean that noone does? Does that mean that it isn't possible for people to work on automobiles? Of course not.

That was blatant? I thought the 'elitist arsehole' comment in the reply just before it was blatant. This was more non-existant. Those analogies don't even make sense, not to mention been completely out of proportion.

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Indeed, people do whine alot, and so to do you whine. I simply cannot fathom how gaining, what two missions? Somehow enriches your PvE experience to the point in which you feel so compelled to bitch about it. What happens when you complete all of the missions in Prophecies? Oh whats that? Oh yeah, jack shit. As i've said, oh I don't know three or four times, I dont' faction farm. This like almost everything else in life can be interpreted as "not fair", and your point? If you are so worried about a video game being fair to every single person who plays it, then you really shouldn't ever leave your house, trust me real life is alot worse. Ever hear the saying "you can't please everyone?"

Really? Ok you go do the missions over and over again. All the challenges they involve and such (like finding a good/full team?). Jack shit? Have you played Prophecies in the last year? You know, Fissure of Woe, Underworld, Sorrows Furnace, Tombs, ring any bells? Or perhaps the Titan Quests? Any of this coming back to you? Oh right so you DON'T faction farm now? Oh thats ok, you don't deserve access to the elite missions either.

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Perhaps your interpretation of difficult is correct, and your limited views on everything force you to only see it in one light. Impossible, hardly. Paying for content that you'll never see? Probably, then again why can't I say I payed for the content of say...a Crystaline? Would you not tell me to stop bitching, and to either earn it or find one? Same principal applies here, if you want it enough then you work for it. Thats how it was designed, but instead of playing the game you'd rather bitch about it, in the hopes that someone cares, I for one do not.

Lol, a crystalline? Is that your best comparison? Your comparing an extremely rare weapon skin to entrance to the high-end areas of PvE? Well done. Could you of picked things quite so far apart? Even your comparison of Faction farming to Cars was closer!

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See thats the thing, i'm with the same alliance that i've been with since I picked the game back up about...four or five months ago. I don't give a rats ass about a couple of missions, I do actually have these things called "friends" who invite me to join them occasionaly when they do the "elite missions" I didn't mean for you to bullshit your way into every single alliance, thats ridiculous.

You don't give a rats ass about them yet your arguing for them to be restricted to about 1% of the GW community. I think your the one bullshitting here.

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I'm done with this, it is as pointless as arguing about religion. Instead of simply debating why something should or should not be changed you resort to blatent personal attacks, in the hopes that I might do the same only to get myself banned so that you can somehow "win" an internet argument. Have fun with that. Oh, and by the way, I don't care what you think about me, stop msging me in game, whoever you are, I suggest you get a life and stop taking the internet so seriously.

Your right, why argue about something you don't care about when your about as stubborn as that rats ass you speak of. Blatant Personal Attacks? Strange, i didn't think you could recognise them. Messaging you in game? Are you hallucinating? Imaginary friends maybe? My money pays for my gaming and my internet (ok the 2nd parts a lie), so i want my moneys worth if you don't mind.

Lurid · Jun 08, 2006, 12:11 AM // 00:11

Lol, i'm posting here to clear something up, I didn't say you were messaging me. I said someone is, i'm not sure who though.